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This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Aug 3, 2022

Rob and Greg discuss Northwest MLS’s new listing agreement. They talk about why companies should start training now and do what Northwest MLS is doing. Rob and Greg roleplay what scenarios agents can expect. Also, Greg compliments Rob on his trap laying skills and why a lot of results end up the same. 

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Rob’s Website

https://notorious-rob.com/

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Jul 27, 2022

How much does the economy affect the housing market? Or do we buy and sell homes based on what’s happening in our individual lives more than what’s happening on Wall Street? In this episode, Rob Hahn and guest host Keith Robinson talk about the rollercoaster that is real estate, if there ever was a stable housing market, and how authenticity can be the deciding factor in whether or not an agent has long term success. 

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Rob’s Website

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https://www.vendoralley.com/

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Jul 20, 2022

Inflation is known to follow housing trends. Rob and Greg discuss the unpredictability of today’s market and why costs are bloating. What steps need to be taken? Are our hierarchy of needs where they should be? Why investors should look longterm. Greg tiptoes on an ominous path and Rob reveals why he bets the dark side.

Industry Relations welcomes our new sponsor, NoteRouter at https://www.noterouter.com/

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Greg’s Website

https://www.vendoralley.com/

Our Sponsors: 

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Jul 13, 2022

Sometimes that dead horse you’re beating turns out not to be that dead. In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down the recent lawsuits that are popping up in the Midwest and how they’re going to affect real estate. Could buyers be forced to pay their agent’s commission? If you sold a house in the last nine years, could you be subject to compensation? Is the sky really falling or are Rob and Greg’s predictions coming to fruition? 

Link Greg mentioned: www.https://realestatecommissionfacts.com/

Industry Relations welcomes our new sponsor, NoteRouter at https://www.noterouter.com/

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Connect with Rob and Greg: 

Rob’s Website

https://notorious-rob.com/

Greg’s Website

https://www.vendoralley.com/

Our Sponsors: 

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Jul 6, 2022

In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss Opendoor and the “Game of Homes” – should you be able to sell and buy a home as easily as you can sell and buy things on other websites like Amazon? Opendoor’s new approach could cause some waves in the industry as they appear to be removing certain hurdles that for years have impeded the home buying and selling process. Does the MLS industry need to change, and could Opendoor be the catalyst for that change? Rob and Greg break it all down in this heated discussion!

Industry Relations welcomes our new sponsor, NoteRouter at https://www.noterouter.com/

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Connect with Rob and Greg: 

Rob’s Website

https://notorious-rob.com/

Greg’s Website

https://www.vendoralley.com/

Our Sponsors: 

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https://www.noterouter.com/

Cloud MLX

https://cloudagentsuite.com/tools/mlx

Notorious VIP

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Jun 29, 2022

This week on Industry Relations, Rob and Greg are joined by Rob Chrane of Down Payment Solution. Rob brings his thirty-plus years of experience to the table. They talk about the many programs that are available that people are missing out on and what paths can be taken to afford a home in today’s market.

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Connect with Rob and Greg: 

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Greg’s Website

https://www.vendoralley.com/

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Jun 22, 2022

How fair is the American economy and who decides what constitutes “fair”? Should the government intervene with the dealings of major American companies, specifically big tech companies, to break up their stranglehold on the U.S. marketplace and its competition, or lack thereof? And how will Biden’s executive order on fair competition affect real estate? In this episode, Rob and Greg go back and forth on the need for competition, what role the Federal Trade Commission should play, how the stock market might be affected, and how much more blood we can expect in the streets.

Link to the Biden order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/07/09/executive-order-on-promoting-competition-in-the-american-economy/

Link to Greg’s Bloomberg article:

https://www.vendoralley.com/2022/06/16/looking-for-some-talent/

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Jun 15, 2022

When autodialers attack! This episode dives into the Realogy lawsuit and what it means for cold calling in not just real estate but other professions as well. Where does the buck stop when it comes to accountability regarding robo-calling? Between outsourcing calls to reallocating marketing funds to more content creation, Rob and Greg discuss the difference between having a profession versus having a job, and how your passion for your craft can often lead to more unique marketing opportunities over standard over-the-phone promotion/dialing for dollars.

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Jun 8, 2022

On this episode of Industry Relations things get chaotic. Rob and Greg break the fourth wall in a desperate attempt to talk to the young people about Biden’s Housing Bill and the American Dream so they decide to bring on the show producers, E.J. and Ben. Rob and Greg have very different definitions of the American Dream. Rob is more Norman Rockwell, while Greg is more in line with impulsivity. They also discuss layoffs and whether the real estate market has become unappealing to potential new agents.

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Jun 1, 2022

This week on Industry Relations, Greg is out on a vacation in paradise. In his absence, Rob blesses our listeners with an exciting conversation on real estate brokers with his wife, Sunny Lake Hahn. Sunny has first hand experience with brokers because she worked as one at the beginning of her career. Her account of those years involved whiskey, vodka, and many, many tears. Rob and Sunny agree on one thing though: the future of real estate brokers is bleak.

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May 25, 2022

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg are joined by real estate royalty Saul Klein. He discusses the Black Knight/ICE deal to us like we’re five years old, and we try to understand it. Disagreements about, and arguments over its perceived effects. 

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May 18, 2022

On this week’s episode of Industry Relations Greg and Rob welcome Sam DeBord, CEO of RESO,  to the show as they dig deep into data standards and why Sam DeBord & RESO need an axe! The guys talk about how to survive week-long conferences as it is officially convention season in America. They talk with Sam about MLS, Web API, RESO, brokers and vendors, and much more! 

Learn more about RESO's CEO Sam DeBord: https://www.reso.org/sam-debord/

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May 11, 2022

On this week's episode of Industry Relations, Greg is back home from the T3 Conference, and tells Rob what he heard. The event was fantastic with many thought-provoking interviews. The duo also discuss the importance of companies having a “prepper” mindset for taking big risks in the world of prop-tech. Join us! 

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May 4, 2022

On this week's episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg take a look at some ongoing lawsuits within the real estate realm. They take aim at some lawsuits that shouldn’t have been dismissed, and speak on some that definitely should be thrown out. They get into the intentions of the companies involved and how the Fair Housing Act can be overlooked unintentionally, but still have consequences for minority groups, elderly people, and disabled people. Join us!

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Apr 27, 2022

This week on Industry Relations, Greg is out on a vacation in paradise. In his absence, Rob blesses our listeners with an exciting conversation on real estate brokers with his wife, Sunny Lake Hahn. Sunny has first hand experience with brokers because she worked as one at the beginning of her career. Her account of those years involved whiskey, vodka, and many, many tears. Rob and Sunny agree on one thing though: the future of real estate brokers is bleak. 

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Apr 18, 2022

This week on Industry Relations Rob and Greg pre-game for the upcoming Inman Connect conference in New York City. Greg will be attending and we make predictions on who is going to be there, what everyone will be talking about, and what kind of vendors he will see. The duo will be having a post Inman Connect show once Greg returns home so watch this episode and see how much we suck at predictions! 

Watch Greg’s MLS Rap: https://www.inman.com/2016/02/03/watch-greg-robertsons-mls-rap-2/

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Apr 13, 2022

This week on Industry Relations, Rob and Greg go head to head on MLS data. They debate whether the MLS industry will die with Zillow when Rob’s proverbial asteroid hits. Greg disagrees and wants to see a future between MLS and CoStar. 

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Apr 6, 2022

This week on Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss the insanity of the current housing market. In our discussion, Rob gets heated about dollar devaluation and nominal inflation; and Greg tells horror stories of house flipping in California. We both agree on one thing though: we need to bring millennial homeownership above 50% before we see generational warfare. Join us!

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Here is the graphic Rob didn’t tell Greg he had lined up: http://pricedingold.com/us-home-prices/

Here is that study Rob discussed about wealth building from Tobias Peter:https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Wealth_Building_WP.pdf?x91208

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Mar 30, 2022

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg speak with John Cambell; Managing Director of Stephens Inc. We get John's unfiltered opinion on Wall Street's take on the real estate market, and the future of the industry. We also chat about proptech influence with sites such as Zillow, Redfin, and CoStar.

Connect with John Campbell on his LinkedIn Page

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Mar 23, 2022

What is an 'enhanced listing?' Do 'enhanced listings' work? Do sellers and buyers want or need them? As Costar comes onto the real estate scene, what will that look like with competitors like Zillow, Realtor, and Apartments.com? What will that look like for sellers and buyers? Greg and Rob discuss what consumers really want when they're searching online in this episode of Industry Relations!

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Mar 16, 2022

Today Rob and Greg talk about Marge vs Brenda (don’t worry they’ll explain) How is the average real estate doing vs the top 10 percent? After things like the real estate stocks and the acceleration trends due to the pandemic, who is winning this epic battle? As they say the ‘internet is undefeated’ but is ‘Marge’ undefeated as well? Greg thinks she is, but what does the notorious Rob think? It’s a great discussion on this week’s episode of Industry Relations!

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Mar 9, 2022

On today’s episode Rob and Greg talk about creating the “Bloomberg of Real Estate,” with special guest David Blum. David Blum is the co-founder of ‘Plunk’ where they are working to bring the next generation, real-time analytics platform to residential real estate. What does the future of this prop-tech company hold for the real estate industry? Rob Han and Greg Robertson are your hosts for the re-launch premiere of the Industry Relations podcast! 


Learn more about David Blum and the exciting work they’re doing for the future of residential real estate at www.getplunk.com.

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Feb 25, 2022

On episode 66 of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discussed the potential repercussions of ending mandatory compensation. And Rob asserted that without cooperation and compensation, the value of the MLS lies solely in its data and technology tools.

How did those comments sit with MLS leaders?

Justin Landon is the CEO of the Lexington-Bluegrass Association of REALTORS, a 4,000-member MLS based in Lexington, Kentucky. Ryan Castle serves as CEO of the Cape Cod & Islands Association of REALTORS, a 3,000-member MLS serving Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard, and Nantucket. On this episode of Industry Relations, Justin and Ryan join Rob and Greg to share their argument against the assertion that the value of the MLS is tied solely to buyer’s compensation.

Justin and Ryan describe the work they do to ensure that listing agents follow data compliance guidelines, explaining how the MLS has evolved to become a catalyst for the adoption of technology and a distribution mechanism among agents and consumers. Listen in for insight on why compensation is usually offered even when it’s not required and learn about the MLS’s role in building technology that facilitates cooperation.

What’s Discussed:  

Justin & Ryan’s argument against the assertion that the value of the MLS is tied solely to buyer’s compensation

The work MLSs do to ensure that listing agents follow data compliance guidelines

Why MLS teams need to know the areas they’re serving

How the MLS has evolved to become a distribution mechanism among agents and consumers

Why Rob suggests that MLSs need to invest in developing their own technology if compensation ends

The MLS as a technology provider vs. catalyst for the adoption of technology

Why compensation is usually offered even when it’s not required

The relationship between compensation and the steering problem in real estate

The potential to add reverse auto prospecting and rental data to the MLS

How NAR’s focus on the distribution of data provides an opportunity for MLSs

The MLS’s role in building technology that facilitates cooperation

What we need to do to prevent the government from making the MLS a public utility

Connect with Justin:

Lexington-Bluegrass Association of REALTORS

Connect with Ryan:

Cape Cod & Islands Association of REALTORS

Connect with Rob and Greg: 

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

Resources:

What if Mandatory Compensation Goes Away? on Industry Relations EP066

MLS Grid

Buyside

RealScout

FloPlan

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Feb 21, 2022

Does everything have to be so fast?  Shouldn't some things take time?  

Especially if it's the largest purchase/sale of your life?

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down with Brian Boero of 1000watt, to discuss his recent blog post, "Pushing Buttons".  Join this high-level discussion and talk about the future of online real estate.
 
Does everything have to be so fast?  Shouldn't some things take time?  

Especially if it's the largest purchase/sale of your life?

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down with Brian Boero of 1000watt, to discuss his recent blog post, "Pushing Buttons".  Join this high-level discussion about the future of "push button" real estate.
 
What‘s Discussed: 

The consumer experience with pushing buttons
Redfin's 400 step process
The genius of Zillow's "Super App" marketing messaging
Greg talks "Zuber"
Keeping up with the consumer
What does a "better" real estate experience look like?


Connect with Rob & Greg:
 
Rob’s Website 
Greg’s Website 

Resources: 

Brian's "Pushing Buttons" blog post
1000watt's website
Amazon's Day One Philosophy

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Feb 11, 2022
 

Who owns the data associated with a house?

 As it stands right now, the listing broker is in control. But what if a buyer doesn’t want a floor plan or 3-D walkthrough of their new home available online?

There is growing public concern around data privacy in big tech, yet few are talking about how this translates to the real estate industry.

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down to discuss the complexities around who owns real estate data, considering whether homeowners should have ownership rights to the data for their property.

They explain the current privacy laws around street photography and explore the expectation of privacy in public records—including MLS databases.

Listen in to understand how privacy policies might impact different players in the real estate space and learn how to think about who should own property data once the SOLD sign goes up.

What‘s Discussed:  

The ruling in the VHT v. Zillow case re: copyright in real estate photography

Who currently owns the data about a house and why it’s such a complex issue

Whether homeowners have ownership rights to the data for their property

The safety concerns associated with making property data available online (for buyers and sellers)

The current laws around photography and privacy

The expectation of privacy around public records and Rob’s take on why the MLS is not a private platform

How Apple’s App Tracking Transparency policy impacts real estate vendors

How privacy policies might affect Compass’ business plan

How we rely on open data to value homes

How the privacy issues surrounding big tech might translate to real estate

 

Connect with Rob & Greg:

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

 

Resources:

Orange County Proptech Mixer

Texas REALTORS Winter Meeting

CoreLogic MLS Executive Workshop

NARPM Broker/Owner Conference and Expo

Rob Hahn on The Tom Ferry Podcast Experience EP160

Nick Conteduca on Industry Relations EP067

VHT v. Zillow

Rob’s Piece on Real Estate Photography & Copyright

Apple’s App Tracking Transparency Policy

Fannie Mae’s Uniform Appraisal Dataset

Drone Laws in Nevada

NFT Your Property with Propy

 

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