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This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Now displaying: August, 2025
Aug 27, 2025

 

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate industry, including Andrea’s move to Real Estate News, Anne Marie’s push for MLS independence, and ongoing debates around realtor commissions and compliance. They also examine a new lawsuit challenging enforcement of buyer representation agreements and revisit the idea of sub-agency as a potential solution to persistent steering problems.

Key Takeaways

  • Andrea at Real Estate News: Andrea joins Real Estate News, raising hopes for stronger investigative journalism in the industry.

  • MLS Independence: Anne Marie’s upcoming retirement sparks discussion on MLS separation from associations and questions of ownership structure.

  • Realtor Commissions Rising: Despite reforms, commissions are reportedly up, prompting concerns over steering and transparency.

  • ZEA v. NAR Lawsuit: A self-represented broker challenges MLSs and NAR over lack of enforcement of buyer agreements, potentially opening the door for class action.

  • Compliance Issues: Evidence suggests weak enforcement of mandatory buyer agreements and ongoing loopholes in rules.

  • Return to Sub-Agency? Rob argues a shift back to sub-agency could simplify compensation and cooperation while reducing steering conflicts.

  • Future Uncertainty: Regulatory or legislative changes may be required to address systemic problems that lawsuits alone cannot solve.

 

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Real Estate News Article

 

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Aug 21, 2025

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Rob and Greg dive into the shakeup at Opendoor after CEO Carrie Wheeler’s resignation. They break down the role activist investors and meme stock energy played, and debate whether iBuying still has a future. The conversation turns into advice for Opendoor’s new leadership, touching on strategy, agent relations, and branding.

Key Takeaways

  • Carrie Wheeler resigns as Opendoor CEO amid activist investor pressure and retail investor hype.

  • Debate over whether iBuying is viable long-term, given seller expectations and buyer demands for turnkey homes.

  • Criticism that Opendoor and Zillow acted like house flippers instead of true market makers.

  • Suggested strategies for Opendoor:

    • Sell homes “as is” rather than renovating.

    • Continue offering full buyer agent compensation.

    • Build out an exclusive “coming soon” marketplace for discounted listings.

    • Rebrand messaging closer to “we buy ugly houses” but focused on hassle-free transactions.

    • Explore seller financing to simplify closings and create new revenue streams.

 

Links

Cloud CMA iBuyer Connect

Revisiting Opendoor: So many words

The Quik Fix

 

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Aug 13, 2025

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Rob and Greg welcome Coleton Boyer from OnTuesday.com for a spirited debate on whether AI will truly disrupt the real estate industry. They explore AI’s potential to improve lead generation, client service, and agent efficiency, while questioning if these benefits will actually level the playing field or further concentrate market share among top agents. The conversation touches on ethics, the human element in client relationships, and how AI could reshape industry business models and pricing structures.

Key Takeaways

  • AI in Real Estate: Potential for personalized marketing at scale, faster client responses, and improved efficiency.

  • Lead Generation: AI could enable unique, data-driven outreach, though ethics and authenticity are debated.

  • Client Service: Tools can parse documents instantly, freeing agents to focus on relationships and strategy.

  • Democratization vs. Consolidation: Debate over whether AI empowers new agents or strengthens established ones.

  • Business Model Impact: Shift from “butts in seats” to usage-based or outcome-based pricing likely.

  • Industry Stickiness: Despite technological changes, the human connection and trust factor remain central to real estate.

 

Links:

ontuesday.com

 

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Our Sponsors:

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The Giant Steps Job Board 

 

Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios

 

Aug 6, 2025

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In this episode, Rob and Greg recap Inman Connect San Diego, discuss the current state of the real estate industry, and explore the hype and utility of AI in real estate. They cover industry gossip, shifting executive roles, macroeconomic forecasts, and heated disagreements on whether AI truly enhances the client experience.

Key Takeaways

  • Inman Connect Recap
    Greg shares his experience from Inman Connect, including a pre-party at his studio and the CEO Connect session.

  • NAR Membership Projections
    Kevin Sears (NAR President) revealed current membership is ~65,000 above projections at 1.4M; however, NAR is budgeting for 1.2M members in 2026.

  • Agent Churn
    Annual agent churn is approximately 20%, meaning roughly all members cycle every five years.

  • CoStar vs. Zillow Lawsuit
    The buzz at CEO Connect centered around CoStar suing Zillow over image copyrights. Rob believes CoStar has a solid strategy involving strategic acquisitions to bolster legal claims.

  • Executive Moves
    Chris Heller moved his team to eXp; York Baur (formerly of MoxiWorks) joined Lone Wolf—highlighting industry consolidation and competition.

  • AI in Real Estate
    Greg sees promise in AI for marketing content, lead gen, and operations. Rob remains skeptical of AI’s impact on client experience, arguing that service still relies on human interaction.

  • AI Assistants and the Future
    The debate intensifies around whether AI chat or voice assistants can enhance service or erode trust in agent relationships.

  • Generational Divide on Service
    Rob emphasizes trust and high-touch service; Greg counters that efficiency and new client expectations may shift norms.

Connect with Rob and Greg

Rob’s Website 

Greg’s Website 

 

Watch us on YouTube

 

Our Sponsors:

Cotality 

Notorious VIP

The Giant Steps Job Board 

 

Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios

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