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Feb 25, 2022

On episode 66 of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discussed the potential repercussions of ending mandatory compensation. And Rob asserted that without cooperation and compensation, the value of the MLS lies solely in its data and technology tools.

How did those comments sit with MLS leaders?

Justin Landon is the CEO of the Lexington-Bluegrass Association of REALTORS, a 4,000-member MLS based in Lexington, Kentucky. Ryan Castle serves as CEO of the Cape Cod & Islands Association of REALTORS, a 3,000-member MLS serving Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard, and Nantucket. On this episode of Industry Relations, Justin and Ryan join Rob and Greg to share their argument against the assertion that the value of the MLS is tied solely to buyer’s compensation.

Justin and Ryan describe the work they do to ensure that listing agents follow data compliance guidelines, explaining how the MLS has evolved to become a catalyst for the adoption of technology and a distribution mechanism among agents and consumers. Listen in for insight on why compensation is usually offered even when it’s not required and learn about the MLS’s role in building technology that facilitates cooperation.

What’s Discussed:  

Justin & Ryan’s argument against the assertion that the value of the MLS is tied solely to buyer’s compensation

The work MLSs do to ensure that listing agents follow data compliance guidelines

Why MLS teams need to know the areas they’re serving

How the MLS has evolved to become a distribution mechanism among agents and consumers

Why Rob suggests that MLSs need to invest in developing their own technology if compensation ends

The MLS as a technology provider vs. catalyst for the adoption of technology

Why compensation is usually offered even when it’s not required

The relationship between compensation and the steering problem in real estate

The potential to add reverse auto prospecting and rental data to the MLS

How NAR’s focus on the distribution of data provides an opportunity for MLSs

The MLS’s role in building technology that facilitates cooperation

What we need to do to prevent the government from making the MLS a public utility

Connect with Justin:

Lexington-Bluegrass Association of REALTORS

Connect with Ryan:

Cape Cod & Islands Association of REALTORS

Connect with Rob and Greg: 

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

Resources:

What if Mandatory Compensation Goes Away? on Industry Relations EP066

MLS Grid

Buyside

RealScout

FloPlan

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Feb 21, 2022

Does everything have to be so fast?  Shouldn't some things take time?  

Especially if it's the largest purchase/sale of your life?

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down with Brian Boero of 1000watt, to discuss his recent blog post, "Pushing Buttons".  Join this high-level discussion and talk about the future of online real estate.
 
Does everything have to be so fast?  Shouldn't some things take time?  

Especially if it's the largest purchase/sale of your life?

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down with Brian Boero of 1000watt, to discuss his recent blog post, "Pushing Buttons".  Join this high-level discussion about the future of "push button" real estate.
 
What‘s Discussed: 

The consumer experience with pushing buttons
Redfin's 400 step process
The genius of Zillow's "Super App" marketing messaging
Greg talks "Zuber"
Keeping up with the consumer
What does a "better" real estate experience look like?


Connect with Rob & Greg:
 
Rob’s Website 
Greg’s Website 

Resources: 

Brian's "Pushing Buttons" blog post
1000watt's website
Amazon's Day One Philosophy

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Feb 11, 2022
 

Who owns the data associated with a house?

 As it stands right now, the listing broker is in control. But what if a buyer doesn’t want a floor plan or 3-D walkthrough of their new home available online?

There is growing public concern around data privacy in big tech, yet few are talking about how this translates to the real estate industry.

On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg sit down to discuss the complexities around who owns real estate data, considering whether homeowners should have ownership rights to the data for their property.

They explain the current privacy laws around street photography and explore the expectation of privacy in public records—including MLS databases.

Listen in to understand how privacy policies might impact different players in the real estate space and learn how to think about who should own property data once the SOLD sign goes up.

What‘s Discussed:  

The ruling in the VHT v. Zillow case re: copyright in real estate photography

Who currently owns the data about a house and why it’s such a complex issue

Whether homeowners have ownership rights to the data for their property

The safety concerns associated with making property data available online (for buyers and sellers)

The current laws around photography and privacy

The expectation of privacy around public records and Rob’s take on why the MLS is not a private platform

How Apple’s App Tracking Transparency policy impacts real estate vendors

How privacy policies might affect Compass’ business plan

How we rely on open data to value homes

How the privacy issues surrounding big tech might translate to real estate

 

Connect with Rob & Greg:

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

 

Resources:

Orange County Proptech Mixer

Texas REALTORS Winter Meeting

CoreLogic MLS Executive Workshop

NARPM Broker/Owner Conference and Expo

Rob Hahn on The Tom Ferry Podcast Experience EP160

Nick Conteduca on Industry Relations EP067

VHT v. Zillow

Rob’s Piece on Real Estate Photography & Copyright

Apple’s App Tracking Transparency Policy

Fannie Mae’s Uniform Appraisal Dataset

Drone Laws in Nevada

NFT Your Property with Propy

 

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Feb 2, 2022

On January 19, 2022, Fannie Mae announced a desktop appraisal option that goes live in Desktop Underwriter in March, making it possible to do an appraisal without a physical inspection.

 

So, what motivated this change in the rules? Why is it important?

 

What does a desktop appraisal option mean for appraisers? And how will it impact the real estate industry in general?

 

NIck Conteduca is the Senior Vice President of Tech Innovation and Subject Matter Expert at Opteon, a global real estate appraisal firm working toward the bold vision of same-day turn times.

 

On this episode of Industry Relations, Nick joins Rob and Greg to discuss Fannie Mae’s announcement, explaining what a desktop appraisal entails and the rules around who (or what) provides the information.

 

Nick weighs in on why there are only 75,000 appraisers in the US, describing how challenging it is to become a licensed appraiser and why the appraisal industry has a love-hate relationship with the new rules.

 

Listen in to understand why it’s unlikely that lenders will start using AVMs over appraisers and learn how the appraisal industry is evolving—and what technology can do to support appraisers, not replace them.

 

What‘s Discussed: 

 

What motivated Fannie Mae’s new desktop appraisal option and why it’s a big deal

What a desktop appraisal entails and the rules re: who provides the information

How information for a desktop appraisal can be verified through virtual inspection technology

Why there are only 75,000 appraisers in the US and how they’re compensated

The appraisal industry’s love-hate relationship with the new desktop appraisal option

Why it’s unlikely that lenders will start using AVMs instead of appraisers

Why real estate data in public records and on the MLS is so inaccurate (and how appraisers correct the data in Fannie Mae’s Uniform Appraisal Dataset)

How challenging it is to become a certified appraiser as opposed to a licensed REALTOR

The relationships among appraisers, REALTORS and home inspectors

How the appraisal industry is evolving and how tech improvements might affect it

 

Connect with Nick:

Opteon

Nick on LinkedIn

 

Connect with Rob & Greg:

Rob’s Website

Greg’s Website

Resources:

Fannie Mae’s Desktop Appraisal Option Announcement

Fannie Mae’s Desktop Underwriter

Fannie Mae’s Desktop Appraisal FAQ’s

CubiCasa Floor Plan Software

Fannie Mae’s Uniform Appraisal Dataset

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